Comments on: DOT and Orlando Legislators Reward Lakeland Government’s Diplomacy With The Hand http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/ Lakeland Florida News and Information Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:58:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sundance http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1953 Sundance Sun, 08 Mar 2009 18:42:33 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1953 Billy, As we all know, Bob has no credibility. He resorts to sarcasm, the tool of the coward, every time someone points out the facts of the freight deal. The proponents of the WH ILC always say that the ILC will come even if the commuter rail bill fails. Then tell me, why do they get so bent out of shape everytime someone reports on the realities of the bad deal? Between you and me, the shrillness in his voice betrays that he is worried. J.D. Alexancer and CSX continues ignore and disrespect the residents of Sundance Ranch Estates for the irresponsible choice of sites for their heavy industrial ILC. And, for any of you who may believe that Sundance has been made offers and are just being greedy, It's a lie. They are using that lie to as you said "string things out". And why isn't J.D. Alexander working as hard for his constituents Sundance as Senator Dockery is for Lakeland? It is because he knows that if the commuter rail bill fails, CSX won't get their much needed Brinks truck of money, and neither will he. The commuter rail bill is a money maker for him and he is not going to let the needs of pesky constituents get in his way. Billy, As we all know, Bob has no credibility. He resorts to sarcasm, the tool of the coward, every time someone points out the facts of the freight deal. The proponents of the WH ILC always say that the ILC will come even if the commuter rail bill fails. Then tell me, why do they get so bent out of shape everytime someone reports on the realities of the bad deal? Between you and me, the shrillness in his voice betrays that he is worried. J.D. Alexancer and CSX continues ignore and disrespect the residents of Sundance Ranch Estates for the irresponsible choice of sites for their heavy industrial ILC. And, for any of you who may believe that Sundance has been made offers and are just being greedy, It’s a lie. They are using that lie to as you said “string things out”. And why isn’t J.D. Alexander working as hard for his constituents Sundance as Senator Dockery is for Lakeland? It is because he knows that if the commuter rail bill fails, CSX won’t get their much needed Brinks truck of money, and neither will he. The commuter rail bill is a money maker for him and he is not going to let the needs of pesky constituents get in his way.

]]> By: Chuck Welch http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1932 Chuck Welch Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:38:50 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1932 Bob, this isn't the kind of forum where such comments are welcome. Please tell me where you saw an attack, because I don't see it. The comments about the drugs are merely ad hominem. Bob, this isn’t the kind of forum where such comments are welcome.

Please tell me where you saw an attack, because I don’t see it.

The comments about the drugs are merely ad hominem.

]]> By: Bob http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1931 Bob Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:34:10 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1931 Poor little Billy. Has trouble arguing with facts. Do you take Ambien or Valium? Poor little Billy. Has trouble arguing with facts. Do you take Ambien or Valium?

]]> By: Billy http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1929 Billy Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:18:28 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1929 Maybe I can't hear myself. Am I being the jerk here? I'm asking the onlookers, if there are any. Some objective input would be welcome. I thought I was just asking for the answer to a question, which hasn't come. I will let you kowtow me if it makes you feel better because clearly I've upset you, and it's not clear to me this is useful. You win. We are whiny and uninformed over here. Enjoy your hub. Maybe I can’t hear myself. Am I being the jerk here? I’m asking the onlookers, if there are any. Some objective input would be welcome.

I thought I was just asking for the answer to a question, which hasn’t come. I will let you kowtow me if it makes you feel better because clearly I’ve upset you, and it’s not clear to me this is useful. You win. We are whiny and uninformed over here. Enjoy your hub.

]]> By: Bob http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1928 Bob Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:00:35 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1928 So if somebody disagrees with you, you attack them? What are you? Some kind of bully? You think that people will kow-tow to you just because you try to push them around? That approach just doesn't work. You can criticize me all you but you can't ignore the basic facts: According to the Rail Traffic Evaluation Study, which is available at www.fdotrailtrafficevaluationstudy.com, freight traffic in downtown Lakeland will increase by FOUR trains by 2010/2011 and SEVEN trains by 2030. That's not a spin. That's not misleading. That's what the study states. And, by the way, every one of the extra trains will pass within 10 blocks of my house in Winter Haven and use the same railroad crossing I use every day. Unlike downtown Lakeland, I can't go a couple of blocks and use an overpass or underpass to avoid the train. I'm stuck. Am I whining because I might get stuck by a train? No!!! This county needs the jobs the railyard and adjacent business park will bring and I'm all for it, no matter what the sacrifice is to me. So if somebody disagrees with you, you attack them? What are you? Some kind of bully? You think that people will kow-tow to you just because you try to push them around? That approach just doesn’t work.

You can criticize me all you but you can’t ignore the basic facts: According to the Rail Traffic Evaluation Study, which is available at http://www.fdotrailtrafficevaluationstudy.com, freight traffic in downtown Lakeland will increase by FOUR trains by 2010/2011 and SEVEN trains by 2030. That’s not a spin. That’s not misleading. That’s what the study states.

And, by the way, every one of the extra trains will pass within 10 blocks of my house in Winter Haven and use the same railroad crossing I use every day. Unlike downtown Lakeland, I can’t go a couple of blocks and use an overpass or underpass to avoid the train. I’m stuck.

Am I whining because I might get stuck by a train? No!!! This county needs the jobs the railyard and adjacent business park will bring and I’m all for it, no matter what the sacrifice is to me.

]]> By: Ellen http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1927 Ellen Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:32:01 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1927 Are the Lakeland officials ready to concede that they are not dealing with honorable people on this issue and stand up and fight for Lakeland and the people who elected them? (Note to Gow F. & Jim V., this may come up during your campaigns for mayor.) Are the Lakeland officials ready to concede that they are not dealing with honorable people on this issue and stand up and fight for Lakeland and the people who elected them? (Note to Gow F. & Jim V., this may come up during your campaigns for mayor.)

]]> By: Billy http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1926 Billy Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:44:21 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1926 Was that a yes on the first question? I couldn't tell. If so, you should encourage your city leaders to follow your example. And by the way, even DOT acknowledges it's more than four over the next dcade or so with no effective limit for future growth. It would be helpful in arguing this if you would at least acknowledge basic facts. This has never been about numbers; it's about longterm freight patterns. And of course, I've pointed that out about 300 times, which you should know if you read often. Was that a yes on the first question? I couldn’t tell. If so, you should encourage your city leaders to follow your example.

And by the way, even DOT acknowledges it’s more than four over the next dcade or so with no effective limit for future growth. It would be helpful in arguing this if you would at least acknowledge basic facts. This has never been about numbers; it’s about longterm freight patterns. And of course, I’ve pointed that out about 300 times, which you should know if you read often.

]]> By: Bob http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1925 Bob Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:32:18 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1925 I don't consider four extra trains to be a big deal. However, if the City of Lakeland is concerned, I would support the state paying for the rerouting. I don’t consider four extra trains to be a big deal.

However, if the City of Lakeland is concerned, I would support the state paying for the rerouting.

]]> By: Billy http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1923 Billy Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:38:15 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1923 Bob: Point blank. Yes or No. Do you support taking the freight traffic your city is causing? And do you support the state paying for the rerouting? Bob: Point blank. Yes or No. Do you support taking the freight traffic your city is causing? And do you support the state paying for the rerouting?

]]> By: Bob http://www.lakelandlocal.com/2009/03/dot-and-orlando-legislators-reward-lakeland-governments-diplomacy-with-the-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-1922 Bob Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:26:15 +0000 http://www.lakelandlocal.com/?p=5005#comment-1922 I, too, watched the hearing. I found it interesting that when time came for opponents to speak, no one from Lakeland did. As for Senator Dockery, you have your opinion and I have mine: she's an embarassment. I, too, watched the hearing. I found it interesting that when time came for opponents to speak, no one from Lakeland did. As for Senator Dockery, you have your opinion and I have mine: she’s an embarassment.

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