CSX And The Bitterest Woman In Orlando, Part 1

CSX Railroad Crossing LightsOf all the bad faith actors in the CSX deal, I think no one has been as intellectually dishonest and downright nasty as Jane Healy, the now retired editor of the Orlando Sentinel editorial page.

For months, she or her page have written editorials (I count about eight in six months) that read like the work of high school girls scorned, lashing out at Lakeland generally and Paula Dockery, specifically. That mean hateful Paula, she took our boyfriend, errr, commuter rail away. Let’s toilet paper her house. I’m surprised they haven’t run Dockery’s picture with horns and a moustache drawn on it.

In Healy world, there is no other side to this story. No cities outside of Orlando have interests. CSX is altruistic. The idea of politicians other than Dan Webster working the system to protect the fiercely expressed wishes of their constituents is unfair. There’s no such thing as inappropriate personal interest or conflict or ethical question if it serves the creation of Orlando’s commuter rail plan. Jeb Bush is a forward thinking lover of mass transit. There’s one senator who is compromised and self-dealing, but it’s not JD Alexander, the one who stands to make lots of money off increased freight train capacity and who is deeply embedded with GrayRobinson, the mega firm behind much of this deal. (Yep, the same one with nice building on Lake Morton. Lakeland has one of the less important branch offices.) Only one region is acting selfishly, and it isn’t the one eager to dump its freight train problem on another. And Dockery hasn’t spent the last few months working on alternatives to the destructive Orlando plan.

My man Tom Palmer alerted me, via his blog, to Ms. Healy’s latest Dockery hit piece. Here’s the link.

And an excerpt: “Not only is she opposing the rail plan, she’s actually leading the charge against it. What a lady!”

What a lady, indeed.

Oh, by the way, it’s worth noting that one of the top spokeswomen for the Orlando commuter rail, Marianne Gurnee, worked for Healy on the editorial board of the Sentinel, and wrote about commuter rail, before leaving two years ago.

Healy says that’s no big deal, and she’s right. But in a deal where many aspersions have been cast upon many people, that piece of data should drop into the mix as well.

To her credit, Ms. Healy was nice enough to answer a few other questions I emailed to her, which is a hell of a lot more than I ever got out of David Greene.

Here’s how it went:

Me: Isn’t it true that your editorial board and paper as a whole have long complained and written about the hardships of having significant freight traffic in your downtown core?

Healy: Yes, we opposed the freight traffic. But even before that, we were adamant supporters of rail in the area. We campaigned for light rail and then commuter rail. The commuter rail itself, not the removal of freight trains, was our strongest concern.

Me: Have you ever visited Lakeland? Have ever asked a person from Lakeland to explain the impacts this deal is likely to have?

Healy: Yes, I’ve visited Lakeland. And I have talked with Paula Dockery about the impacts. She and I were in Leadership Florida together and enjoyed a good relationship.

Me: Did you ever talk to sentinel reporter Jay Hamburg about this issue and the potential regional impacts? I found him to be honest and evenhanded in his reporting.

Healy: I probably have talked with Jay about this but we did our own reporting on the end board and I do my own reporting now.

Me: Do you consider the relocation of freight from the A-line to S-line a part of Orlando’s commuter rail deal. Are the two materially related, in your opinion? Or are they separate issues? And if they are separate, as has been claimed at various times by various officials, why can’t Orlando simply take its federal and state money and start providing service without the relocation?

Healy: Billy, I really haven’t gotten into that. In my column Sunday, I was just commenting on the political aspect of Osceola County.

Yeah, sure she was.

Anyway, check out part two tomorrow. It’ll be a suggestion for what a responsible Sentinel editorial on this subject might look like.

Creative Commons License photo credit: Chuck Welch

40 thoughts on “CSX And The Bitterest Woman In Orlando, Part 1

  1. Lakeland’s Dockery still trying to Swallow a Poison Pill

    Lakeland and Tampa’s approach to Central Florida’s chance to have Commuter Rail can be summed up as simply a “Poison Pill Approach” that if successful will set transportation progress back 20 years in Florida. With the ever increasing cost of fuel the obvious need for CSX to consolidate and modernize it’s S line through the center of Florida will have double dividend’s for all of Florida. It will help to hold down the costs of transporting much of the goods and building supplies that Florida needs to prosper. It will also begin what should one day be a commuter rail system that could expand to Lakeland and Tampa. We need a bit of vision here! We also need the support of South Florida legislators who’s constituents and cites will benefit from better more efficient freight services.

  2. Lakeland’s Dockery still trying to Swallow a Poison Pill

    Lakeland and Tampa’s approach to Central Florida’s chance to have Commuter Rail can be summed up as simply a “Poison Pill Approach” that if successful will set transportation progress back 20 years in Florida. With the ever increasing cost of fuel the obvious need for CSX to consolidate and modernize it’s S line through the center of Florida will have double dividend’s for all of Florida. It will help to hold down the costs of transporting much of the goods and building supplies that Florida needs to prosper. It will also begin what should one day be a commuter rail system that could expand to Lakeland and Tampa. We need a bit of vision here! We also need the support of South Florida legislators who’s constituents and cites will benefit from better more efficient freight services.

  3. Let’s get real here. We all want better transportation, less gas use, and less traffic hassle. But we also want the solutions thought through, without a “back room politics” deal. If the solution is good, then it will stand in the open. No deal is perfect, but with all of the old phosphate train tracks it seems absolutely stupid to run trains through the middle of towns. And not just for the destruction of the town – but safety issues. Wouldn’t you hate to be having a heart attack in an ambulance on the south side of the track when a 2 mile train was stuck on the track in downtown Lakeland.

    I would. and so would you.

    So let’s get a real plan, that works for the long haul. Paula is for that. and I’m with her. Our frustrated ex-press chickie needs to get on someone else’s payroll, or maybe volunteer to help people somewhere. Regardless, she needs to get out of her very small box. Thank goodness she’s not still our “voice” at the paper.

  4. Let’s get real here. We all want better transportation, less gas use, and less traffic hassle. But we also want the solutions thought through, without a “back room politics” deal. If the solution is good, then it will stand in the open. No deal is perfect, but with all of the old phosphate train tracks it seems absolutely stupid to run trains through the middle of towns. And not just for the destruction of the town – but safety issues. Wouldn’t you hate to be having a heart attack in an ambulance on the south side of the track when a 2 mile train was stuck on the track in downtown Lakeland.

    I would. and so would you.

    So let’s get a real plan, that works for the long haul. Paula is for that. and I’m with her. Our frustrated ex-press chickie needs to get on someone else’s payroll, or maybe volunteer to help people somewhere. Regardless, she needs to get out of her very small box. Thank goodness she’s not still our “voice” at the paper.

  5. To Rick Frazee,

    We in South Florida are engaged heavily in the matter now and have our sight’s set on Sen. Dockery and every project she is involved with. That goes for every project in Polk County as well.

    To Billy Townsend, Writer at the Lakeland Local.

    I believe this article highlight’s why you’re writing for a small town newspaper. You stand behind Sen. Dockery while she cast ideas like Amtrak is a solutions, even when Amtrak tells her they are not the answer to Commuter Rail. Further yourself along with your blogging buddy Tom Palmer who have engaged helping in Sen. Dockery’s spread of misinformation on Commuter Rail shows how un-ethical both your writing’s are. For you two to enter newspaper blogs around the state to spread lies of Central Florida Rail is a gross violation to the community you serve. Jane Healy has never had to engage in the spread of lies like you too. See this is good research, not making things up as you go. Let’s look at your two careers because from where I sit her resume far out weigh’s yours.

    Funny, that neither yourself or Tom Palmer can dispute one thing Jane Healy has written, but need to resort to high school games like writing any article like this. Maybe because that’s where both yours & Tom Palmers education ended, in High School, why this tactic was employed by you.

    Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer did you 2 do any research on the Liability Issue before you started writing on it and engaged in spreading lies about. Did you really think we in South Florida did not know who you were?

  6. To Rick Frazee,

    We in South Florida are engaged heavily in the matter now and have our sight’s set on Sen. Dockery and every project she is involved with. That goes for every project in Polk County as well.

    To Billy Townsend, Writer at the Lakeland Local.

    I believe this article highlight’s why you’re writing for a small town newspaper. You stand behind Sen. Dockery while she cast ideas like Amtrak is a solutions, even when Amtrak tells her they are not the answer to Commuter Rail. Further yourself along with your blogging buddy Tom Palmer who have engaged helping in Sen. Dockery’s spread of misinformation on Commuter Rail shows how un-ethical both your writing’s are. For you two to enter newspaper blogs around the state to spread lies of Central Florida Rail is a gross violation to the community you serve. Jane Healy has never had to engage in the spread of lies like you too. See this is good research, not making things up as you go. Let’s look at your two careers because from where I sit her resume far out weigh’s yours.

    Funny, that neither yourself or Tom Palmer can dispute one thing Jane Healy has written, but need to resort to high school games like writing any article like this. Maybe because that’s where both yours & Tom Palmers education ended, in High School, why this tactic was employed by you.

    Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer did you 2 do any research on the Liability Issue before you started writing on it and engaged in spreading lies about. Did you really think we in South Florida did not know who you were?

  7. Here was a piece I sent to Ms. Healy directly and blogged on the Sentinel website:

    “A few of observations respecting your Sunday “Feet to the Fire” piece on Senator Paula Dockery and how she is failing her constituents in Osceola County. For the record, I support some sort of commuter alternative to automobiles and have supported earlier versions that incorporated the use of existing rail track for commuter traffic. That said, in my opinion, the Sentinel has been less than frank with its readers on the subject of light rail/commuter rail. From reading other newspaper coverage of the subject it would appear to an objective party that your paper has, for whatever reason, chosen to omit treatment of certain aspects of the project that might have been construed as being “unfavorable”.

    My second observation is that to my recollection your paper either refused to run a rebuttal written by Mrs. Dockery, either without a substantial rewrite, or that it ran it heavily edited by your staff. I question the intellectual honesty of one who would limit a full and frank discussion of an issue. This is especially so for a newspaper and other media which claim a special status in our society. This is so because they (the media) are to be forum for public discussion and debate. If the media claiming this special high ground picks and chooses what voices to hear, omitting or limiting those views in conflict with the newspapers, then the newspaper is being irresponsible and intellectually dishonest and demonstrating that bias. Is it not an example of hypocrisy if one claims special status as the guardian of the public, as the Sentinel does, but then uses its position to censure the views that undermine its own. Can you answer that question in one of your Feet to the Fire columns: Why has the Sentinel chosen to omit coverage of certain areas of the commuter rail story and suppressed the views of a public official that it has repeatedly criticized for opposition to commuter rail?

    Is this because the Sentinel has established a position in favor of the project and will ignore adverse facts that might shift public opinion? I say this because the Sentinel did exactly this with the much ballyhooed public venues, which it openly supported. Specifically the Sentinel allowed Mayors Crotty and Dyer to misrepresent the use of taxpayer funds for the construction. Specifically your paper did not challenge the statement that no taxpayer dollars would go to the venues when the Senitinel knew that: 1) the City of Orlando had expended taxpayer funds within the preceding year to buy the land upon which the “Arena” is to be constructed; and, 2) knew that the City of Orlando intended on selling the existing arena site (a site paid for with City of Orlando taxpayer tax dollars) for a projected $90 million with those proceeds to be used for the public venues. If the Sentinel can swallow whole the intellectual pretzel necessary to argue that those are not taxpayer dollars then we have the publishing equivalent of Linda Lovelace.

    My point is that it really appears that the paper has an “at all costs” attitude and is too thin skinned to allow for open and full debate of issues that it is charged with presenting–that is if your company believes the underlying argument of why we have “freedom of the press”. In my view the Sentinel is a poor steward of the duty and has shown this time and time again. One final observation: I have always found it disingenuous of a media outlet to choose a unflattering photo of a person when they write unfavorable articles. Mrs. Dockery is a attractive woman who’s beauty has continued as the years pass.”

    Now for the sake of honesty and fairness (well not completely cause that would take the fun out of it) I will say that I have known Mrs. Dockery since she was attending the University of Florida and that I attended her first wedding. So I count her as a friend although I have had many a disagreement with her, large and small. Gatortrapper

  8. Here was a piece I sent to Ms. Healy directly and blogged on the Sentinel website:

    “A few of observations respecting your Sunday “Feet to the Fire” piece on Senator Paula Dockery and how she is failing her constituents in Osceola County. For the record, I support some sort of commuter alternative to automobiles and have supported earlier versions that incorporated the use of existing rail track for commuter traffic. That said, in my opinion, the Sentinel has been less than frank with its readers on the subject of light rail/commuter rail. From reading other newspaper coverage of the subject it would appear to an objective party that your paper has, for whatever reason, chosen to omit treatment of certain aspects of the project that might have been construed as being “unfavorable”.

    My second observation is that to my recollection your paper either refused to run a rebuttal written by Mrs. Dockery, either without a substantial rewrite, or that it ran it heavily edited by your staff. I question the intellectual honesty of one who would limit a full and frank discussion of an issue. This is especially so for a newspaper and other media which claim a special status in our society. This is so because they (the media) are to be forum for public discussion and debate. If the media claiming this special high ground picks and chooses what voices to hear, omitting or limiting those views in conflict with the newspapers, then the newspaper is being irresponsible and intellectually dishonest and demonstrating that bias. Is it not an example of hypocrisy if one claims special status as the guardian of the public, as the Sentinel does, but then uses its position to censure the views that undermine its own. Can you answer that question in one of your Feet to the Fire columns: Why has the Sentinel chosen to omit coverage of certain areas of the commuter rail story and suppressed the views of a public official that it has repeatedly criticized for opposition to commuter rail?

    Is this because the Sentinel has established a position in favor of the project and will ignore adverse facts that might shift public opinion? I say this because the Sentinel did exactly this with the much ballyhooed public venues, which it openly supported. Specifically the Sentinel allowed Mayors Crotty and Dyer to misrepresent the use of taxpayer funds for the construction. Specifically your paper did not challenge the statement that no taxpayer dollars would go to the venues when the Senitinel knew that: 1) the City of Orlando had expended taxpayer funds within the preceding year to buy the land upon which the “Arena” is to be constructed; and, 2) knew that the City of Orlando intended on selling the existing arena site (a site paid for with City of Orlando taxpayer tax dollars) for a projected $90 million with those proceeds to be used for the public venues. If the Sentinel can swallow whole the intellectual pretzel necessary to argue that those are not taxpayer dollars then we have the publishing equivalent of Linda Lovelace.

    My point is that it really appears that the paper has an “at all costs” attitude and is too thin skinned to allow for open and full debate of issues that it is charged with presenting–that is if your company believes the underlying argument of why we have “freedom of the press”. In my view the Sentinel is a poor steward of the duty and has shown this time and time again. One final observation: I have always found it disingenuous of a media outlet to choose a unflattering photo of a person when they write unfavorable articles. Mrs. Dockery is a attractive woman who’s beauty has continued as the years pass.”

    Now for the sake of honesty and fairness (well not completely cause that would take the fun out of it) I will say that I have known Mrs. Dockery since she was attending the University of Florida and that I attended her first wedding. So I count her as a friend although I have had many a disagreement with her, large and small. Gatortrapper

  9. To Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer,

    As I sit here waiting for you 2 to dispute the unethical conduct both you have engaged in, it occurred to me that you 2 are unaware of your city’s own development history.

    Are both you aware that Florida Southern College was a community concept by Frank Lloyd Wright that was meant to take advantage of different transportation methods?

    Would you say that Florida Southern College is a huge piece of architectural history for Lakeland now?

    Because if you answer yes to both than you would realized how this unethical conduct you 2 have engaged in around the state has hurt your own community’s values. FL Wright, read any book he personally wrote and it will tell you how concerned he was with the environment. How he knew early in the 20th century that cars hurt our environment.

    This is what I am talking about with your 2’s research. You should of known this about FL Wright already and how it applies to Lakeland. You 2 need to focus on what’s best for Central Florida as a whole and not how you guy’s along with Dockery plan to rape the state of funds that you intent to only serve the city of Lakeland’s purpose.

    You might realize this if you 2 where not so much engaged in spreading lies about Central Florida Rail in newspaper blogs across the state.

  10. To Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer,

    As I sit here waiting for you 2 to dispute the unethical conduct both you have engaged in, it occurred to me that you 2 are unaware of your city’s own development history.

    Are both you aware that Florida Southern College was a community concept by Frank Lloyd Wright that was meant to take advantage of different transportation methods?

    Would you say that Florida Southern College is a huge piece of architectural history for Lakeland now?

    Because if you answer yes to both than you would realized how this unethical conduct you 2 have engaged in around the state has hurt your own community’s values. FL Wright, read any book he personally wrote and it will tell you how concerned he was with the environment. How he knew early in the 20th century that cars hurt our environment.

    This is what I am talking about with your 2’s research. You should of known this about FL Wright already and how it applies to Lakeland. You 2 need to focus on what’s best for Central Florida as a whole and not how you guy’s along with Dockery plan to rape the state of funds that you intent to only serve the city of Lakeland’s purpose.

    You might realize this if you 2 where not so much engaged in spreading lies about Central Florida Rail in newspaper blogs across the state.

  11. Gatortrapper, or should I say Tom Palmer.

    I find it funny, how you can have a blog and than be scared to come out and say who you are. I am going to answer you later, because now you have proofed for me what dirty politics you like to engage in at your response at the Sentinel.

    I will give you one thing, that you finally admitting to knowing Dockery is the first none BS out of you in 6 months.

    You know my Grandfather’s former step son-in-law as well? Let’s get it out in the open before I answer if you truly want a debate.

    I don’t believe one bit that you want a debate!!!!!!!! Proof me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. Gatortrapper, or should I say Tom Palmer.

    I find it funny, how you can have a blog and than be scared to come out and say who you are. I am going to answer you later, because now you have proofed for me what dirty politics you like to engage in at your response at the Sentinel.

    I will give you one thing, that you finally admitting to knowing Dockery is the first none BS out of you in 6 months.

    You know my Grandfather’s former step son-in-law as well? Let’s get it out in the open before I answer if you truly want a debate.

    I don’t believe one bit that you want a debate!!!!!!!! Proof me wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Mr. Wright,

    This isn’t the Sentinel. I make sure I can connect an email address to someone before I publish the comment.

    Gatortrapper isn’t Tom Palmer.

    Please continue your comments, but save the accusations you can’t prove. Or take it somewhere else.

    Also, while I have nothing against small town newspapers, Lakeland Local is a web publication best described as a hyperlocal news site.

  14. Mr. Wright,

    This isn’t the Sentinel. I make sure I can connect an email address to someone before I publish the comment.

    Gatortrapper isn’t Tom Palmer.

    Please continue your comments, but save the accusations you can’t prove. Or take it somewhere else.

    Also, while I have nothing against small town newspapers, Lakeland Local is a web publication best described as a hyperlocal news site.

  15. Dear Admin,

    If I was concerned about any legal question, let me assure you it is not the one you pointed out. Your operation as declared Admin puts you in a interesting position, as you have altered this blog stream as to show you answered a request from me. I do believe, that act may very well induce itself on my right to free speech, as no term of service exists that I can see, your altering could be considered intentional.

    But I want to thank you for the consideration of my rights.

    Admin I do not believe you for one minute. Your paper has engaged in clearly unethical practices. You have members that have entered Sentinel blogs under cover of deception. And engaged an a very unethical campaign. You have my email, send me anything you want. I will be happy to have an attorney response.

    I will be responding to Gator’s post in a minute. Censorship without a term of service, I agreed to, might make an interesting legal question.

  16. Dear Admin,

    If I was concerned about any legal question, let me assure you it is not the one you pointed out. Your operation as declared Admin puts you in a interesting position, as you have altered this blog stream as to show you answered a request from me. I do believe, that act may very well induce itself on my right to free speech, as no term of service exists that I can see, your altering could be considered intentional.

    But I want to thank you for the consideration of my rights.

    Admin I do not believe you for one minute. Your paper has engaged in clearly unethical practices. You have members that have entered Sentinel blogs under cover of deception. And engaged an a very unethical campaign. You have my email, send me anything you want. I will be happy to have an attorney response.

    I will be responding to Gator’s post in a minute. Censorship without a term of service, I agreed to, might make an interesting legal question.

  17. Mr. Wright,

    Ah, you see. I didn’t get a request from you. I added a comment to point out your error. As I am also doing here. One, this isn’t a newspaper’s web site. That’s twice I’ve pointed that out. Second, you have no right to free speech here. As I am not Congress, I have not abridged the freedom of speech.

    As for censorship: I take it you mean “deleting parts of publications or correspondence.” Well, I have deleted no parts of any comment, not even yours. I did state what I will accept as civil discourse.

    I will remind you that commenting is a privilege. If you wish to make an accusation of false identity then prove it or do it somewhere else.

  18. Mr. Wright,

    Ah, you see. I didn’t get a request from you. I added a comment to point out your error. As I am also doing here. One, this isn’t a newspaper’s web site. That’s twice I’ve pointed that out. Second, you have no right to free speech here. As I am not Congress, I have not abridged the freedom of speech.

    As for censorship: I take it you mean “deleting parts of publications or correspondence.” Well, I have deleted no parts of any comment, not even yours. I did state what I will accept as civil discourse.

    I will remind you that commenting is a privilege. If you wish to make an accusation of false identity then prove it or do it somewhere else.

  19. Mr. Wright, Have you read this?

    COMMUTER RAIL LANGUAGE

    Exhibit 19 from the FDOT/CSX contract, regarding the Liability legislation:

    (c) Assume by contract to forever protect, defend, indemnify, and hold harmless a railroad company (or its successors) from whom the department has acquired a rail corridor, and its officers, agents, and employees, from and against any liability, cost, or expense contractually assumed by the department or contractually apportioned to it, regardless of whether the loss, damage, destruction, injury, or death giving rise to any such liability, cost, or expense is caused in whole or in part and to whatever nature or degree by the fault, failure, negligence, misconduct, nonfeasance, or misfeasance of such railroad company (or its successors) or its or their officers, agents, and employees, or any other person or persons whomsoever.

  20. Mr. Wright, Have you read this?

    COMMUTER RAIL LANGUAGE

    Exhibit 19 from the FDOT/CSX contract, regarding the Liability legislation:

    (c) Assume by contract to forever protect, defend, indemnify, and hold harmless a railroad company (or its successors) from whom the department has acquired a rail corridor, and its officers, agents, and employees, from and against any liability, cost, or expense contractually assumed by the department or contractually apportioned to it, regardless of whether the loss, damage, destruction, injury, or death giving rise to any such liability, cost, or expense is caused in whole or in part and to whatever nature or degree by the fault, failure, negligence, misconduct, nonfeasance, or misfeasance of such railroad company (or its successors) or its or their officers, agents, and employees, or any other person or persons whomsoever.

  21. Would someone please enroll Sean Wright in an English grammar and writing class? Maybe a logic class too?

  22. Would someone please enroll Sean Wright in an English grammar and writing class? Maybe a logic class too?

  23. To Gatortrapper,

    To after reading this letter you sent to the Sentinel it is in no way clear to how the Sentinel committed this act of shows as you put it “unfavorable”. Give me one example of when the Sentinel did not tell the true. Was exactly is so “unfavorable”.

    Dockery along with these blogger’s brought up a Liability Issue that guess what, is heavily recorded as the norm. It’s existed in Florida for 20 Years. Now either Dockery, much like I’ve said about you guys, did not do her homework or it was intentional. The cost has been out in the open for the whole time, there has been forums, public debate. So where has the sentinel hidden as you stated “unfavorable” information.

    You can’t show it because nothing is hidden, the Sentinel has brought facts and only facts to the table. This is not what your group has engaged in and I said this about Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer, and now the Lakeland Local. The Sentinel has not printed one thing they can’t verify. Same for Jane Healy. You want to speak of ethical practices how do you guys explain a clear link from Lakeland posted in the Sentinel’s site. It’s their because it came from this site. The Sentinel is under no cover of deception, as like you all are practicing weekly. Maybe stop spreading falsehoods about Central Florida Rail and problems won’t land right on your doorsteps when you slip up. Like today!

    Now your post sounds like your ready to marry Dockery at the end. For you to be concerned over a photo is quite petty & frankly childish. The issues discussed is what is important, not what someone looks like as they age.

    Now listen all of you & Lakeland Local. I have given Dockery a bridge to work things out with others in CF. It is now up to her to use it. If the continued campaign of spreading the misinformation continues and it causes damage to my hometowns believe me I will use all my influence to cutting Lakeland off from as much South Florida funds as I can. A lot here are pissed and advocating it everyday. You all are endangering the future of Florida, endangering it for my children & your children. We are not talking about 1 or 2 county’s, we are talking about a lot of the state. Many around the state have a negative view of Polk County because of it’s misled youth being in the news. You really want to compound that. Because that it the only direction you are moving in.

    If you have an honest dispute many will listen. Not one of you has produced an honest dispute. What you have produced is falsehoods and misrepresentation. No one can answer those including the Orlando Sentinel.

    Quote By Gatortrapper:

    “Now for the sake of honesty and fairness (well not completely cause that would take the fun out of it) I will say that I have known Mrs. Dockery since she was attending the University of Florida and that I attended her first wedding. So I count her as a friend although I have had many a disagreement with her, large and small. Gatortrapper”

    Whoever you are: I’m glad that this issue is fun for you. Sir, given your clear concern of Dockery’s looks in the post above it is clear that you feel you have entered a game show of some type with CFR. I hope your lack of understanding it filled with this fun. As you are the type of person that will clearly watch his helpless neighbor get robbed, do nothing about it, then declare that police would be to blame, as you watched the robber run off. Maybe you should try taking a hard look at who you are & see if you like what looks back at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. To Gatortrapper,

    To after reading this letter you sent to the Sentinel it is in no way clear to how the Sentinel committed this act of shows as you put it “unfavorable”. Give me one example of when the Sentinel did not tell the true. Was exactly is so “unfavorable”.

    Dockery along with these blogger’s brought up a Liability Issue that guess what, is heavily recorded as the norm. It’s existed in Florida for 20 Years. Now either Dockery, much like I’ve said about you guys, did not do her homework or it was intentional. The cost has been out in the open for the whole time, there has been forums, public debate. So where has the sentinel hidden as you stated “unfavorable” information.

    You can’t show it because nothing is hidden, the Sentinel has brought facts and only facts to the table. This is not what your group has engaged in and I said this about Billy Townsend & Tom Palmer, and now the Lakeland Local. The Sentinel has not printed one thing they can’t verify. Same for Jane Healy. You want to speak of ethical practices how do you guys explain a clear link from Lakeland posted in the Sentinel’s site. It’s their because it came from this site. The Sentinel is under no cover of deception, as like you all are practicing weekly. Maybe stop spreading falsehoods about Central Florida Rail and problems won’t land right on your doorsteps when you slip up. Like today!

    Now your post sounds like your ready to marry Dockery at the end. For you to be concerned over a photo is quite petty & frankly childish. The issues discussed is what is important, not what someone looks like as they age.

    Now listen all of you & Lakeland Local. I have given Dockery a bridge to work things out with others in CF. It is now up to her to use it. If the continued campaign of spreading the misinformation continues and it causes damage to my hometowns believe me I will use all my influence to cutting Lakeland off from as much South Florida funds as I can. A lot here are pissed and advocating it everyday. You all are endangering the future of Florida, endangering it for my children & your children. We are not talking about 1 or 2 county’s, we are talking about a lot of the state. Many around the state have a negative view of Polk County because of it’s misled youth being in the news. You really want to compound that. Because that it the only direction you are moving in.

    If you have an honest dispute many will listen. Not one of you has produced an honest dispute. What you have produced is falsehoods and misrepresentation. No one can answer those including the Orlando Sentinel.

    Quote By Gatortrapper:

    “Now for the sake of honesty and fairness (well not completely cause that would take the fun out of it) I will say that I have known Mrs. Dockery since she was attending the University of Florida and that I attended her first wedding. So I count her as a friend although I have had many a disagreement with her, large and small. Gatortrapper”

    Whoever you are: I’m glad that this issue is fun for you. Sir, given your clear concern of Dockery’s looks in the post above it is clear that you feel you have entered a game show of some type with CFR. I hope your lack of understanding it filled with this fun. As you are the type of person that will clearly watch his helpless neighbor get robbed, do nothing about it, then declare that police would be to blame, as you watched the robber run off. Maybe you should try taking a hard look at who you are & see if you like what looks back at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. For all those of us that want Commuter Rail and are reading this, could we please get back on message here? To date I have not seen 1 valid argument, not even the attempt to scare some poor future heart attack victim. Emergency response personal have a way to deal with the train crossing problem as they have been doing for years; after all this is an existing track with trains currently operating. Dockery’s Poison Pill is the question. She has some price to buy her off, what might it be so we can all move forward on this.

    I have another question. What can be done to give our Winter Park resident and County Commissioner Bill Segial some spine. It’s past time he told his fellow commissioners that Winter Park residents will not be taxed twice for commuter rail. We pay our share of county taxes for the rail and we will not be taxed a second time for the pleasure of providing a stop in our community that mostly nonresidents will be using. It is enough to ask that we deal with some of the inconveniences that the stop will bring.
    So get on with it! Good news, I noticed that John Mica reported that federal approvals are happening. Good News Good News!!!!

  26. For all those of us that want Commuter Rail and are reading this, could we please get back on message here? To date I have not seen 1 valid argument, not even the attempt to scare some poor future heart attack victim. Emergency response personal have a way to deal with the train crossing problem as they have been doing for years; after all this is an existing track with trains currently operating. Dockery’s Poison Pill is the question. She has some price to buy her off, what might it be so we can all move forward on this.

    I have another question. What can be done to give our Winter Park resident and County Commissioner Bill Segial some spine. It’s past time he told his fellow commissioners that Winter Park residents will not be taxed twice for commuter rail. We pay our share of county taxes for the rail and we will not be taxed a second time for the pleasure of providing a stop in our community that mostly nonresidents will be using. It is enough to ask that we deal with some of the inconveniences that the stop will bring.
    So get on with it! Good news, I noticed that John Mica reported that federal approvals are happening. Good News Good News!!!!

  27. To Admin, I not sure what Law Book your reading from, but its not of this county or state. You clearly have a public forum. You have no term of services. You inserted an answer ahead of a post to deceive readers in a public forum, when I called you out to dispute how your link end up at the Orlando Sentinel.

    Look I have my attorney right here. We are laughing because your busted. Let me put my email address clearly I will have him respond right away to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    seantwright@hotmail.com

  28. To Admin, I not sure what Law Book your reading from, but its not of this county or state. You clearly have a public forum. You have no term of services. You inserted an answer ahead of a post to deceive readers in a public forum, when I called you out to dispute how your link end up at the Orlando Sentinel.

    Look I have my attorney right here. We are laughing because your busted. Let me put my email address clearly I will have him respond right away to you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    seantwright@hotmail.com

  29. Mr. Wright,

    “You inserted an answer ahead of a post to deceive readers in a public forum, when I called you out to dispute how your link end up at the Orlando Sentinel.”

    What?

    People, and dogs even, can link where and when they want. I have no idea who linked here at the Orlando Sentinel. But if that link brought you I’m glad you discovered the site.

    However, your commenting style is getting dangerously close to boring me.

    I’m not sure what was the purpose of adding your email address and the threat of your attorney. I would suggest this page would be helpful though.

    As Mr. Frazee wrote, “could we please get back on message here?”

  30. Mr. Wright,

    “You inserted an answer ahead of a post to deceive readers in a public forum, when I called you out to dispute how your link end up at the Orlando Sentinel.”

    What?

    People, and dogs even, can link where and when they want. I have no idea who linked here at the Orlando Sentinel. But if that link brought you I’m glad you discovered the site.

    However, your commenting style is getting dangerously close to boring me.

    I’m not sure what was the purpose of adding your email address and the threat of your attorney. I would suggest this page would be helpful though.

    As Mr. Frazee wrote, “could we please get back on message here?”

  31. To Rick Frazee,

    Yes the approvals are good things. Winter Park residents will come around, most everyone I know in Winter Park, who are very long time residents do not understand why Central Florida Rail is an issue, because I get emails every week for them & their neighbor’s that they want it.

    We deal with these concerns in South Florida everyday & for 20 years Tri-Rail has not had the problems the against party’s believe Central Florida Rail will have.

    What needs to happen from my view point is Lakeland & Polk County Leaders need to understand & confront change. Commuter Rail is not something to hurt them. Trains going though downtown’s happens everyday here. I don’t see this as an issue. We have party’s in Delray Beach as freight trains go by. We have a restored 1895’s rail station for looks and basically rail, freight & commuter fits in with life. Polk County leaders need to come the table. Mica will listen to Dockery. CFR is a stage Dockery can be involved with. She wanted High Speed Rail. Well once she understands that this has to be done first, then she get’s that much closer to her high speed rail vision. Hands are out from Orlando to get everyone to the table. When Jeff Atwater comes in at the next session he will listen to. But it has to make sense. That’s what it will come down to. Polk County & Orlando do need each other, once they realize it, is when this is done.

  32. To Rick Frazee,

    Yes the approvals are good things. Winter Park residents will come around, most everyone I know in Winter Park, who are very long time residents do not understand why Central Florida Rail is an issue, because I get emails every week for them & their neighbor’s that they want it.

    We deal with these concerns in South Florida everyday & for 20 years Tri-Rail has not had the problems the against party’s believe Central Florida Rail will have.

    What needs to happen from my view point is Lakeland & Polk County Leaders need to understand & confront change. Commuter Rail is not something to hurt them. Trains going though downtown’s happens everyday here. I don’t see this as an issue. We have party’s in Delray Beach as freight trains go by. We have a restored 1895’s rail station for looks and basically rail, freight & commuter fits in with life. Polk County leaders need to come the table. Mica will listen to Dockery. CFR is a stage Dockery can be involved with. She wanted High Speed Rail. Well once she understands that this has to be done first, then she get’s that much closer to her high speed rail vision. Hands are out from Orlando to get everyone to the table. When Jeff Atwater comes in at the next session he will listen to. But it has to make sense. That’s what it will come down to. Polk County & Orlando do need each other, once they realize it, is when this is done.

  33. Sean T Wright:

    “two”.

    Plz stp writing lik u r a 12 yo gurl sndng a txt msg.

  34. Sean T Wright:

    “two”.

    Plz stp writing lik u r a 12 yo gurl sndng a txt msg.

  35. Time does not permit a more expansive reply to Mr. Sean Wright but the use of a nom de plume is not intended by me to obscure who I am. I am pleased to introduce myself. My name is Mark Fisher. I am an attorney in Orlando, Florida. My name is attached to the e-mail I sent directly to Ms. Healy and I don’t think I took the time to log into the Sentinel website to use my Gatortrapper handle, but rather contented myself with using my name. I do not know the person to whom you attributed my prior blog.

    Would you like more information? I attended the University of Florida with Mrs. Dockery and met her while we both participated in student government. If recollection serves she ultimately was elected to the student fee allocation body known as ASFAC, after serving in the Student Senate along with me. I, for the record, was the Student Body Treasurer at UF in 1983. I have a very unique perspective on Mrs. Dockery from the years of association with her.

    From that perspective I can say without equivocation that I have great admiration for her intellectual capability; her considered and measured thought processes; her pragmatic approach to working within a political body; and her willingness to stand on principle when the situation warrants. I do not always agree with Mrs. Dockery and in fact have gotten into some very heated disagreements with her. I have been, to my chagrin, incorrect more than once. (Mrs. Dockery this next sentence is for you—-wink:-)) But I will not feign that I took the weakness in my argument, or error in my assertion of fact, well. To the contrary I specifically remember an instance where my position did not reign supreme and I protested against all the evidence before finally conceding. Although it was infrequent, I cling to my one sided recollections like a child to its favorite blanket, I will say that losing an argument to her was painful–but she is smart! To the extent that the rationale behind her position prevailed over mine I have almost always been willing to concede victory to her– albeit belatedly and with teeth gritted. Perhaps you might do well to accept the fact that it is okay to be wrong…really….it is. It is even viewed by some as being a signature mark of maturity to be capable of doing so publicly.

    Well, it seems I have waded into this more than intended. So let me merely say that the Sentinel has an agenda. You are free to disagree but I suggest that you buttress your disagreement with reference to fact rather than conclusions. That is why I went to great length to illustrate, by way of example of another important news story, that this offensive conduct was not isolated and amounted to what I viewed as being manipulation of the public. The alternative is to attribute incompetence to those doing the writing and editing. To which should I subscribe?

    My question to you is: “Is it okay for a media such as a newspaper to censure important news or omit facts merely because those facts could undermine the efficacy of the newspapers announced agenda (see the Sentinel’s annual goals for the community if you think I misstate my case), or, as the standard bearer for the Ist Amendment, should the newspaper have to accept their lumps and print the whole story to advance the superior goal of informed debate”? As an attorney I know that credibility is essential and admission of harmful facts actually enhances it. Public opinion has labeled the paper the Orlando Slantenel. Why would such a fine paper be so disparaged? In short, if you think it is acceptable to play fast and loose with facts that is your prerogative and your arguments will hereinafter be given little or no weight.

    For myself, I point and say that it is an intellectually dishonest practice and the Sentinel preaches full disclosure but does not practice it. I hold that if free and open debate is to be the centerpiece of our indirect form of democratic government, then let us have full and complete disclosure of the facts. Let us decide which are true or merit weight and which do not: for I fear less a poorly reasoned opinion than a poorly informed one. I do not want some individual or group isolated in an ivory tower, ready to pounce and destroy all that might question them, deciding which facts to share. That smacks of fascism to me.

    Finally, I suggest that we should not attack the character of a person as has happened with respect to my remarks. In my opinion such attacks should be viewed as a poor substitute for the absence of a meaningful response to the policy position and supporting facts I advanced. What say you… and I accept your apology in advance. Gatortrapper aka Mark Fleming Fisher, Esq..

  36. Time does not permit a more expansive reply to Mr. Sean Wright but the use of a nom de plume is not intended by me to obscure who I am. I am pleased to introduce myself. My name is Mark Fisher. I am an attorney in Orlando, Florida. My name is attached to the e-mail I sent directly to Ms. Healy and I don’t think I took the time to log into the Sentinel website to use my Gatortrapper handle, but rather contented myself with using my name. I do not know the person to whom you attributed my prior blog.

    Would you like more information? I attended the University of Florida with Mrs. Dockery and met her while we both participated in student government. If recollection serves she ultimately was elected to the student fee allocation body known as ASFAC, after serving in the Student Senate along with me. I, for the record, was the Student Body Treasurer at UF in 1983. I have a very unique perspective on Mrs. Dockery from the years of association with her.

    From that perspective I can say without equivocation that I have great admiration for her intellectual capability; her considered and measured thought processes; her pragmatic approach to working within a political body; and her willingness to stand on principle when the situation warrants. I do not always agree with Mrs. Dockery and in fact have gotten into some very heated disagreements with her. I have been, to my chagrin, incorrect more than once. (Mrs. Dockery this next sentence is for you—-wink:-)) But I will not feign that I took the weakness in my argument, or error in my assertion of fact, well. To the contrary I specifically remember an instance where my position did not reign supreme and I protested against all the evidence before finally conceding. Although it was infrequent, I cling to my one sided recollections like a child to its favorite blanket, I will say that losing an argument to her was painful–but she is smart! To the extent that the rationale behind her position prevailed over mine I have almost always been willing to concede victory to her– albeit belatedly and with teeth gritted. Perhaps you might do well to accept the fact that it is okay to be wrong…really….it is. It is even viewed by some as being a signature mark of maturity to be capable of doing so publicly.

    Well, it seems I have waded into this more than intended. So let me merely say that the Sentinel has an agenda. You are free to disagree but I suggest that you buttress your disagreement with reference to fact rather than conclusions. That is why I went to great length to illustrate, by way of example of another important news story, that this offensive conduct was not isolated and amounted to what I viewed as being manipulation of the public. The alternative is to attribute incompetence to those doing the writing and editing. To which should I subscribe?

    My question to you is: “Is it okay for a media such as a newspaper to censure important news or omit facts merely because those facts could undermine the efficacy of the newspapers announced agenda (see the Sentinel’s annual goals for the community if you think I misstate my case), or, as the standard bearer for the Ist Amendment, should the newspaper have to accept their lumps and print the whole story to advance the superior goal of informed debate”? As an attorney I know that credibility is essential and admission of harmful facts actually enhances it. Public opinion has labeled the paper the Orlando Slantenel. Why would such a fine paper be so disparaged? In short, if you think it is acceptable to play fast and loose with facts that is your prerogative and your arguments will hereinafter be given little or no weight.

    For myself, I point and say that it is an intellectually dishonest practice and the Sentinel preaches full disclosure but does not practice it. I hold that if free and open debate is to be the centerpiece of our indirect form of democratic government, then let us have full and complete disclosure of the facts. Let us decide which are true or merit weight and which do not: for I fear less a poorly reasoned opinion than a poorly informed one. I do not want some individual or group isolated in an ivory tower, ready to pounce and destroy all that might question them, deciding which facts to share. That smacks of fascism to me.

    Finally, I suggest that we should not attack the character of a person as has happened with respect to my remarks. In my opinion such attacks should be viewed as a poor substitute for the absence of a meaningful response to the policy position and supporting facts I advanced. What say you… and I accept your apology in advance. Gatortrapper aka Mark Fleming Fisher, Esq..

  37. Sean T Wright is supposedly the cousin of Dale Smith, with the City of Winter Haven, just so everyone knows.
    Secondly, for all those out there who believe that myself, Dockery, Billy Townsend and whoever else are wrong and have falsely represented anything, why is it that not only the state has let us continue to question the rail deal with our “lies and poison”, but CSX has. I have yet received a lawsuit, summons, gag order or anything telling me I have slandered or liabiled their good name. Why is that? Surely with $22 BILLION IN PROFITS, if I so much as stepped out of line, I’d have heard something, other than desperate silence.
    Could it be, the truth is not their friend?

  38. Sean T Wright is supposedly the cousin of Dale Smith, with the City of Winter Haven, just so everyone knows.
    Secondly, for all those out there who believe that myself, Dockery, Billy Townsend and whoever else are wrong and have falsely represented anything, why is it that not only the state has let us continue to question the rail deal with our “lies and poison”, but CSX has. I have yet received a lawsuit, summons, gag order or anything telling me I have slandered or liabiled their good name. Why is that? Surely with $22 BILLION IN PROFITS, if I so much as stepped out of line, I’d have heard something, other than desperate silence.
    Could it be, the truth is not their friend?

  39. To Gator Trapper – I fully agree with your commentary regarding Jane Healy. Her flawed opinion and error of omission regarding commuter rail has been shocking, and leaves me to wonder whether she too is being compensated for this blind endorsement and her inappropriate smear campaign against Paula Dockery. Apparently the Sentinel code of ethics is forgotten in the editorial room as we learned Healy’s former co-worker Marianne Gurnee is now a paid consultant for the CSX buyout and coincidentally an “Ed Healy” holds an important position at CSX headquarters. Is he related to the “Jane Healy” of the Sentinel. When questioned whether the Healy at CSX was related to the Healy at the Sentinel, neither party responded.

    This Sunday’s editorial by Healy raises more questions of who she is working for. She wrote a puff piece regarding another swath of land she hopes the State will purchase next to Nancy Rossman’s former property which the entrenched millionaire land investor of Central Florida sold to the State for a 2,000% profit. Ms. Healy fails to reveal who owns the coveted Pine Plantation property neatly tucked near the Expressway. The Expressway has overseen billions in property purchases throughout the years where the actual investors identity was hidden behind LLCs.

    Townsend, I’m glad you wrote this piece on Healy. I hope there will be more investigation of her motives and ties to special interest. The Orlando Sentinel has lost support and credibility among many well educated readers who believe honesty should be the bellwether of journalism.

  40. To Gator Trapper – I fully agree with your commentary regarding Jane Healy. Her flawed opinion and error of omission regarding commuter rail has been shocking, and leaves me to wonder whether she too is being compensated for this blind endorsement and her inappropriate smear campaign against Paula Dockery. Apparently the Sentinel code of ethics is forgotten in the editorial room as we learned Healy’s former co-worker Marianne Gurnee is now a paid consultant for the CSX buyout and coincidentally an “Ed Healy” holds an important position at CSX headquarters. Is he related to the “Jane Healy” of the Sentinel. When questioned whether the Healy at CSX was related to the Healy at the Sentinel, neither party responded.

    This Sunday’s editorial by Healy raises more questions of who she is working for. She wrote a puff piece regarding another swath of land she hopes the State will purchase next to Nancy Rossman’s former property which the entrenched millionaire land investor of Central Florida sold to the State for a 2,000% profit. Ms. Healy fails to reveal who owns the coveted Pine Plantation property neatly tucked near the Expressway. The Expressway has overseen billions in property purchases throughout the years where the actual investors identity was hidden behind LLCs.

    Townsend, I’m glad you wrote this piece on Healy. I hope there will be more investigation of her motives and ties to special interest. The Orlando Sentinel has lost support and credibility among many well educated readers who believe honesty should be the bellwether of journalism.

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